Posts by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

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I am glad to have found the true religion

by A Believer in

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friends

it really is great.

i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.

i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

A believer: Yesu the JW teach Jesus is our mediator
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2008922

It does seems like it, indeed, at first sight. But you have to read closely.

“The Mediator of a New Covenant”
11, 12. How is Jesus’ role as Mediator unique?
11 Read 1 Timothy 2:5, 6. Jesus is the “one mediator between God and men.” He is “the mediator of a new covenant.” (Heb. 9:15; 12:24) However, Moses is also spoken of as a mediator—the mediator of the Law covenant. (Gal. 3:19) How, then, is Jesus’ role as Mediator unique?

The mediator of a New covenant.

Who is in the new covenant? If you search on JW.org for the new covenant, you see it is only the 144.000.

To go further with the link you provided:

13. What is involved in Jesus’ role as Mediator?
13 What does Jesus’ role as Mediator involve? Well, Jehovah applies the value of Jesus’ blood to those being brought into the new covenant. In this way, Jehovah legally credits them with righteousness. (Rom. 3:24; Heb. 9:15) God can then take them into the new covenant with the prospect of their becoming heavenly king-priests! As their Mediator, Jesus assists them in maintaining a clean standing before God.—Heb. 2:16.

Jesus assists them. To whom does their and them refer? To the heavenly king-priests in the preceding sentence. And who is going to be a heavenly king-priest? It is the 144.000. As their mediator, can consequently be rephrased as: As the mediator of the 144.000.

What about those who are not in the new covenant, those who hope to live forever on earth, not in heaven? While not participants in the new covenant, these are beneficiaries of it.

Those who are not in the new covenant. Well, if you are outside of this new covenant, if you not have the heavenly hope, Jesus is not your mediator. You are no participant

Do you see? It is very important to examine this more thorougly than just quickly reading this text.

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I am glad to have found the true religion

by A Believer in

jw
friends

it really is great.

i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.

i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

A Believer Jesus is the mediator. He is the one who helped man and God come to agreement. Yesu did you know he was created?

It is good to read that you believe Jesus Christ is our mediator. That's indeed what the Bible teaches. Yes I know what you are referring to, Colossians 1:15. I have studied for three years with the witnesses.

The thing is, the topic of the mediator will never be discussed with you by none of the witnesses. You know why? The official doctrine is that Jesus is not our mediator. Most witnesses are unaware of this. If you ask a random witness in your congregation: ''who is your mediator?'' they will answer: Jesus!

However, according to the watchttower, Jesus is only the mediator for the 144.000 anointed ones. Today, there are around 15.000 of them. So who can pray in the name of Jesus while knowing that Jesus is their mediator? Only these 15.000. Not you.

The Bible is very, very clear about this topic. There is only one mediator. If it is not Jesus, it can be no one else. So than we have no mediator between us and God.

Can you justify this?

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I am glad to have found the true religion

by A Believer in

jw
friends

it really is great.

i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.

i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

A believer. Christendom has free will so it doesn't stop them from finding the truth.

Very true! We have a free will. However, as a Witness of Jehovah. Your free will will end up being the will of the Governing Body.

you know, I was just as you. You said in some earlier comment that you did not study the Bible so much.

neither did I. I was a Catholic, zero Bible knowledge. The witnesses do indeed seem to have all the answers, when you have no prior Bible knowledge! It is very important to study the Bible first. Independently from any religion or organisation.

Have you already studied the topic of our mediator?

who is your mediator?

is it Jesus?

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I am glad to have found the true religion

by A Believer in

jw
friends

it really is great.

i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.

i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

Personally, I think it is better not to go into a discussion of believing in God against not believing in God. I am a believer too. The matter of the piramids will not lead me to lay down my faith in God.

I think it is better to show 'a believer' that the beliefs of the Jehovah's witnesses are not in line with the Bible. Instead of attacking the Bible as a whole.

'a believer': it is very good that you believe in God. Don't let people take away your faith from you. However, you should know that your belief should be based on what the Bible says.

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I am glad to have found the true religion

by A Believer in

jw
friends

it really is great.

i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.

i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

Hi A believer!

I can understand you think you have found the right religion. Most of us at some stage had the same conviction as you.

I have a question for you. Do you believe that Jesus Christ is your mediator between you and God?

You might look up 1 Timothy 2:5, John 14:6 and Hebrews 7:25 in the Bible in case you are not sure what the Bible says about it.

I am looking forward to your opinion

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Jesus ransom or the sanctification of God's name the most important?

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

some time ago, during the mid-week meeting, the sanctification of god’s name was being discussed (chapter 4 in ‘god’s kingdom rules’).

in paragraph nine we read that in the early period the jw’s viewed jesus ransom sacrifice as the most important teaching of the bible.

then they said they gave overbalanced importance to jesus, and nowadays, they say the sanctification of god’s name is the most important thing in the bible.. .

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

Some time ago, during the mid-week meeting, the sanctification of God’s name was being discussed (chapter 4 in ‘God’s kingdom rules’). In paragraph nine we read that in the early period the JW’s viewed Jesus ransom sacrifice as the most important teaching of the Bible.

Then they said they gave overbalanced importance to Jesus, and nowadays, they say the sanctification of God’s name is the most important thing in the Bible.

9, 10. (a) Why did early Watch Tower articles focus on Jesus? (b) What change occurred from 1919 onward, and with what results?
9 First, Jehovah’s servants came to have the proper view of the importance of God’s name. Faithful early Bible Students viewed the ransom arrangement as the Bible’s main teaching. That explains why the Watch Tower often focused on Jesus. For example, in its first year of publication, the magazine mentioned the name Jesus ten times more than the name Jehovah. Regarding the Bible Students’ early years, The Watchtower of March 15, 1976, noted that they gave “overbalanced importance” to Jesus. In time, though, Jehovah helped them to discern the prominence that the Bible gives to God’s personal name. How did that affect the Bible Students? Especially from 1919 onward, says the same Watchtower article, “they began showing more appreciation for Messiah’s heavenly Father, Jehovah.” In fact, during the decade following 1919, The Watch Tower mentioned God’s name over 6,500 times!
10 By giving the name Jehovah proper recognition, our brothers showed their love for God’s name. Like Moses of old, they set out to “declare the name of Jehovah.” (Deut. 32:3; Ps. 34:3) In turn, as promised in the Scriptures, Jehovah took note of their love for his name and showed them favor.—Ps. 119:132; Heb. 6:10.

13. How does God’s Word reveal the most important issue to be settled?
13 Third, Jehovah’s people came to appreciate the importance of the sanctification of God’s name. During the 1920’s, they discerned that the sanctification of God’s name is the most important issue to be settled. How does God’s Word reveal that weighty truth? Consider two examples. What was the principal reason why God rescued Israel from Egypt? Jehovah stated: “To have my name declared in all the earth.” (Ex. 9:16) And why did Jehovah show mercy to Israel when they rebelled against him? Again, Jehovah said: “I acted for the sake of my name so that it would not be profaned before the nations.” (Ezek. 20:8-10)

I was trying to find arguments against this teaching. A comment that was made back then by someone in the congregation, was that Jesus is only important in the New Testament, whereas the sanctification of God’s name is important in both the Old and the New Testament. What can be said against this? Are there any Bible accounts/verses that can be used to show that this is a false teaching?

Thanks for your responses.

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Why do JW's never pray for the Spirit of Jesus?

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

i am new on this forum.

i have been associating with the jw's for three years, and was about to be baptised soon (next month).

however, i discovered on time that it is not right to do.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

@Cofty
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/243099/jehovahs-witnesses-view-jesus-compared-early-church

Thank you for the link! This is very useful, great commentaries.

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Why do JW's never pray for the Spirit of Jesus?

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

i am new on this forum.

i have been associating with the jw's for three years, and was about to be baptised soon (next month).

however, i discovered on time that it is not right to do.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

@stan livedeath

if youre not sure what disfellowshipping means--ask those elders to explain. also--ask them about shunning too.

I am familiar with the disfellowship policy. However, I thought they only do this to baptised people? I am an unbaptised publisher. Can they still decide to officially shun me?

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Why do JW's never pray for the Spirit of Jesus?

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

i am new on this forum.

i have been associating with the jw's for three years, and was about to be baptised soon (next month).

however, i discovered on time that it is not right to do.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

@NinaCee

It's a good thing you decided not to get baptized... you have saved yourself a lot of grief. What made you come to that decision

I came to that decision while studying on the role of Jesus in the prayer. I started studying this subject around two months ago. I was completely shocked to find out that the Witnesses teach that Jesus Christ is only the mediator for the 144.000. No one has ever told me this, neither in personal study, nor in meetings. If this was true, only the remnant of around 15.000 of the 144.000 could justify praying in Jesus name. I was shocked. Who is the mediator of the rest of us? They teach we don't have a mediator! but that we can receive the benefits through association with the anointed ones. Most of the congregations do not even have people in their midst that proclaim to be anointed! Crazy.

In my view, you cannot be a Christian if you deny yourself the simple truth that Jesus Christ is our mediator. How can we otherwise talk to God, and build a relationship with Him? impossible to me. I gradually stopped attending meetings from the moment I discovered this teaching.

I live in a German village, the congregation in my village has no people who speak French. I am myself native French speaker. Nobody of my family is involved in the JW's. However, around half a year ago I encountered French speaking refugees from Congo in the ministry. They had only lived in Germany here since a year and did not understand German nor English. Since nobody of my congregation can speak French I was asked to go study with them in French. Normally I would bring a brother with me, but he was not able to understand the French. This is a family of 8 people that was very very interested and were already convinced it was the Truth. However, from the moment that I discovered that the Witnesses are wrong I have shared everyhing I discovered with them and I have told them to stop the study.

The other brother that used to come along constantly asks, when are we going to that study again?????

I said I am too busy with college to avoid telling him the true reason. I think it will be a matter of time untill it will be discovered though, since this family has been to the meetings quite a couple of times (even without understanding the language). So they will be missed eventually.

Grateful to know the truth about the truth though!!

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Why do JW's never pray for the Spirit of Jesus?

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

i am new on this forum.

i have been associating with the jw's for three years, and was about to be baptised soon (next month).

however, i discovered on time that it is not right to do.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

Hello everybody,

I am new on this forum. I have been associating with the JW's for three years, and was about to be baptised soon (next month). However, I discovered on time that it is not right to do. I read this forum lately and enjoy the Bible discussions.

My question is the following.

My experience is from JW prayers only. I do not know how other churches deal with his.

In JW prayers, I often hear the person praying asking for the Holy Spirit to come upon us. However, I have never heard people praying for the Spirit of Jesus. Why is this?

In this verse below we read that we HAVE to have the Spirit of Christ living in us, otherwise we do not belong to him. So why do we not ask for it?

Romans 8:9 (NIV)

You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

Acts 16: 6,7 (NIV)
Paul and his companions traveled throughout the region of Phrygiaand Galatia, having been kept by the Holy Spirit from preaching the word in the province of Asia. When they came to the border of Mysia, they tried to enter Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus would not allow them to.

In this verse in Acts we see there is a difference between Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Jesus. Holy Spirit is the one that kept Paul and his companions from going to the province of Asia, whereas the Spirit of Jesus was the one that did not allow them to go to Bithynia. Why were both the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Jesus interfering in the preaching work? Why is one of the two not enough?

I discussed the question about praying for Holy Spirit and not for the Spirit of Jesus with two elders. They told me that if someone is praying for Holy Spirit, this implies that this person automatically is also asking for the Spirit of Jesus at the same time. Asking for one of them means receiving the two of them, they said.

I asked, how could this be if they are two different Spirits? If the one is also implying the other, why does Acts mention them apart from each other? I told them that in my view, what they were implying was that the two Spirits are in fact only one spirit.

Their response was that they just work perfectly together, without being the same.

These two elders were in the past co-workers in a cleaning company. They worked together. I asked, imagine you two would work together perfectly, and if the boss of your cleaning company would call person A to his office, who will come to the office? Just person A, or also person B? Logic would say that person B will not respond if the boss only calls for person A to come. So when praying, if JW's ask for Holy Spirit, why do they assume that they receive the Spirit of Jesus at the same time?

They had no response. However, I am interested in your opinion, since I also don’t understand this topic very well.

Thanks for your responses